it's hard to believe they would have to shoot this man five times -- eight times. >> eight times. >> six in the back. >> if that's the case. we'll have to see the whole facts of the case. >> what does that tell you? >> there's a general, brooke. then there's a specific reaction. the general reaction, it speaks to the divide between law enforcement and the community. it speaks to answering the question of why repeatedly do we have to speak about these shootings year after year, month after month? what is go iing on? you had a call here of someone vandalizing cars, apparently. that's significant because it informs the narrative of the police in terms of who they're encountering. it wasn't a murder er. it wasn't a rapist. it's someone vandalizing cars. the other thing problematic, you give someone a command to raise their hand. ought you not let them comply before you start shooting? if tactically you feel they're in a police stance or shooting