cucking a -- and i would hope it would not be out. i think mueller is conducting a methodical, legal, principled investigation. even the republicans on the hill, many of them, are saying this. and that it needs to go its course. and if there has been any kind of witch hunt here, you can bet that there will be hell to pay, that mueller and any others involved in any kind of witch hunt ought to pay. but i don't think there's any evidence whatsoever that there's been a witch hunt here. >> let's talk about other aspects here. since we're comparing this to nixon, do you see any differences between trump and nixon's mo? >> look, apples and oranges. one, nixon had a great intellect. i don't think we'd ever accuse donald trump of having a great intellect, and at the same time i would never underestimate trump's brilliance at reading the country in a demagogic way,