battle saying the cohen raid was improper and the things that were seized wouldn't even be able to be used legally in any way, shape or form. but then, of course, there is grumbling we are hearing from the west wing today from white house staffers upset they were caught flat-footed in all of this. with that, giuliani was unapologetic. he said the president is his client and he doesn't talk to the white house staff. on that, let's head straight to cnn's kaitlyn collins at the white house who has been doing some excellent reporting on this topic. kaitlyn, fill us in on what you're hearing from your sources. >> reporter: well, dana, imagine you're someone who works in this white house and for the last few months, you've been maintaining very strictly the president did not know anything about this payment, did not have any communication with michael cohen about this, backing up with the president himself said less than a month ago, i should note, on air force i, he didn't know where that payment came from, and the president's new lawyer rudy giuliani who has been on