on the hannity program and he let his mouth get away from him. i don't think there's any grand strategy there. >> i think this will help everyone make the point. because he -- rudy giuliani told "the washington post" that he paid cohen with his personal funds because they never considered this a campaign payment. but he also said this. watch this. >> imagine if that came out on october 15th, 2016 in the middle of the last debate with hillary clinton. >> right, so to make it go away -- they made this payment? >> cohen didn't even ask. cohen made it go away. he did his job. >> okay. >> case closed. >> so to make it go away because the campaign was going to be impacted, we decided to help the campaign by giving it a $130,000 benefit. that's called a contribution. that's called one you make to donate to a campaign. that statement, even if he had the discombobulation, you made your case even stronger by talking about it being a campaign issue. >> go ahead, jim.