win. therefore, we didn't pay $130,000 with the election in mind, we paid $130,000 with the future of donald trump, his brand, his marriage, his family, it has nothing to do with the election. you buying it? >> i'm afraid not. first of all, trump had a reputation with regard to these types of liaisons that preexisted and also followed these disclosures. more importantly, giuliani himself undermined that argument. at first he said this was all about saving the marriage and then he immediately contradicted himself and said, well, it wasn't about the marriage, it was about his reputation. the next day he said, well, could you imagine if this had gotten out during the presidential debates. >> october 15. right. >> so he himself can't seem to maintain a coherent narrative. this isn't rocket science, you know, you sit down and you create your narrative for defense. the only thing you have to do is