strange to me, and i know ben rhodes and colin call. i worked with them in the government. they are very honorable people who served america well. you can disagree or agree whether the iran deal is a good deal or not, but to do this as a way to undermine the deal, i think, is truly unamerican. >> russia is at the center of so much happening on the globe as far as us trying to meddle in people's elections politically, obviously. their influence is playing out at the center of american politics. are things as bad as they seem, russia's interference when it comes to american politics and trying to fool with other people's elections, meddle in other people's elections? >> i think they are. i call the book "from cold war to hot peace" to make sure people don't confuse our time today with the cold war, but in many aspects, the hot peace is more dangerous and more volatile. in the soviet days, they didn't meddle with our elections. in the late soviet days after