and associates right now is the beginning of throwing michael cohen under the bus. is it plausible that there is separation in can you separate michael cohen from the president. >> michael coisn't a casualty of war in this. mueller is going after trump and use anyone in the path to try to get to trump. cohen is now part of the psychological warfare that mueller is using against trump. but you know, the interesting thing everyone seems like they're on the board of directors of column because nova and to know what columbus nova is going to do in the future or what kind of investments they have. nobody knowing anything what they were looking for out of michael cohen or advise, just like at&t or novartis. you are making assumptions here. but the one thing that hasn't been discussed nothing to do with donald trump. nothing has anything to do with the president. >> this is the man's attorney. >> nothing. >> he has a picture. >> nothing to do with donald trump.