i think that that's maybe why we don't see this resonate so much with voters. >> the first word you used swift is a word i have never heard from the white house or the president's allies describing the investigation. i want to get one more comments he's gone back and forth, getting closer. it looks more hopeful maybe the president will speak. what do you make of that? >> we've heard this a lot from rudy giuliani. you know, this spin about he really wants to cooperate. he wants to talk and maybe it will happen you know at this point i think we should just sort of believe it when we see it. it certainly looks like etching i've seen that the president is not going to talk to the mueller office. he will either file legal okays with subpoena. he will take the fifth. fe end of the day, he will not speak to the mueller office. rudy's interview of the day, what he says about the