from a legal perspective is a category error. >> i think that's more the case to look at. mueller is going to look at all of this through his legal lens, how are we going to get to the answer what he is supposed to resolve is russian interference in our election process. i think we've sort of gone away from that he's looking at the legal implications of what came up and what may have arrived. i think the president and guiliani have done a masterful job of framing the debate in the court of public penalties. -- opinion. >> that will not change what robert mueller is doing in anyway, shape or form the president will continue to put out tweets about this being a witch hunt. no collusion. no interference, that's his way of communicating with his base. >> that is his way of trying to distract of what he feels like this is taking away from the legitimacy of his victory. all of that i think is good. that's what the president wants, guiliani wants.