access to information from the department of justice and like this? >> no. certainly not. this is unprecedented. you have to go back to hoover and nixon. this is from the trump political play book. begin with projection. i'm not a puppet you're a puppet. he projects. onto his that's how he attacks. projection and deflection. here's something else to think about. the fbi was sending spies in. this is exactly why carpenter wrote the book. this is gaslighting. trying to divert and distract. anything other than answer the simple questions about what you did and why. >> why it's working. donald trump is winning this argument because everyone is sucked into the debate of whether there was a spy in the campaign. we're not talking about the why. why did the fbi feel the need to have an informant approach george papadopoulos? well, they got a tip that the