fraud. so he's trotting that out. you tell me, he starts with a conclusion and hopes that evidence at some point presents itself. >> he almost always starts with coop collusion and hopes evidence will eventually present itself because this is what it will be. this is where it gets difficult, he often -- yes, he is often confused. he often doesn't know the facts as he's talking. he just talks. but he also is a lot more cognizant than sometimes his own staff likes to give him credit for. and so something like i'm testing out the word spy because it sounds sinister, that's pretty cynical for a president to be doing. >> and that's the reporting that we associate. >> correct. and i think it's true. and that is what you are seeing here. just sort of this message testing with something that's pretty significant. >> there's nothing cogent about that tweet. >> i can't understand. >> but he's accusing the mueller