is, one, i nowhere her ideology is, where her heart is. but on a broader level these are things written ten years ago. they hired her after she wrote these things. so i would have a different response, again, if this happened during her employ at nbc. people do grow and do change and we have to have space for that, it does create a different conversation. >> some of the things wren by jon on her old blog where obviously hateful and hurtful. joy has apologized publicly and privately and said she has grown and evolved in many years since, and we know this to be true. so even shawn hannity came out today she's taken responsibility for it, and her apology should be accepted. do you agree with that? >> i don't agree that she's