and immediate. >> you say that. one hard liner -- >> people concerned about -- >> one hard liner named bolton, saying the name it echos now. why? because he's gone. he said libya model, a show of strength, jennifer, and now he is out. why? they don't want do go that way. what did we hear from the president yesterday? sweet letter, nice letter. come to the white house and cookies and milk on me. let's be very clear. do you believe that this is the rudy giuliani theory of why this is happening, that they're begging for this meeting in korea because they're so scared? >> are you asking me? >> well, yes, jennifer granholm. >> well no. no worries. i think that -- that giving kim jong-un this legitimacy is a huge gift to him. i think that is true. donald trump going into this meeting without being prepared is a sign, a, of laziness, and, b, complete ego.