it's far too early to be thinking about it. >> so he didn't exactly rule it out, david. >> not at all. and he has ruled other things out when he's been asked. he's making a very deliberate move to leave some space for himself in the future if he wants to. he goes on to say that he could pardon himself, that he has power to do so but he doesn't need to do so because he has done nothing wrong. he holds out the possibility that he may think about pardoning these guys down the road. one of the conversations about the president's moment of pardons has been this speculative notion, is he sending a signal to others that he's willing to use the pardon powers? is that something that manafort or flynn should pay attention to? by now, this is literally holding out the possibility that a pardon may be in their future. >> it's clear he enjoys the power of pardoning. most presidents wait till the end of their terms.