this was ad hoccism at its very worst. they did not sort of zero tolerance policy, we're going to be tough, we're going to be strong. we're going to use it to negotiate with congress so we can get our wall and we can get etching we want. >> leverage. >> it backfired on them in a huge public disgraceful way. disgrateful. >> so why is kristen nielsen the secretary saying ask congress to do their jobs? this again, first of all it's a majority in congress, a, b, it's not about congress doing their job, back to your original point the president can end this today. >> she's still playing this semantic game. because they have a legislative agenda. it is an abomination to use children to achieve a legislative agenda. that's what she's doing. she did at this time other day when she stood at the white house podium. she is obviously continuing to take that attack.