is nominate the most conservative person we can find. if by some chance the democrats and murkowski or collins rally and defeat that person, this person said the democrats will take a real beating for that in november. they'll lose seats. republicans will gain seats, and the president can go ahead and nominate the person again in january and we'll get them on the court. in some ways the conservatives, this is a moment where they're saying, don't compromise. don't try to get a moderate that you think can sort of -- just do the most conservative person you can get and we'll win either way. >> that's a risky game. if the democrats do win seats, then they're in more trouble. >> the luxury of losing this time around. for that exact reason, the math on the midterms is not entirely favorable to the republicans right now. i don't think the president really believes that he can risk having a nominee go down. that would be catastrophic thing for him. >> demoralizing.