they're also relying on things like dna tests, for example, because they say that the timeline is so truncated now because of the skrunjudge's ord that they have to use dna test to identify who these parents are. they say they'll only use it to identify parents and their kids. >> that sweet little girl, see her almost rub her mother's back, consoling her mother is, whoo. great to see, miguel. thanks so much. "outfront" with me right now, joan walsh, national affairs correspondent at "the nation" and jason miller, former senior communications adviser to the trump campaign, thank you so much for being here, guys. jason, the numbers. today it's under 3,000, last week it was just under 2,000. why can't they provide -- what's your guess, jason? why can't they provide a straight answer? >> well, kate, when i first heard the 3,000 number today, it was a bit of -- whorondering wh was going on the messaging side. if you don't have the number, don't come out and speculate that it's somewhere under 3,000, because the only thing you've