contentious of experience as that shepherded through -- the idealogical approach to the nominees is also a departure from our best traditions too seems to me. >> it's also this idea that it has to be results oriented as opposed to qualifications and judgment. . that's what you should be reviewing instead of being able to divide a particular result. that's where there's so much focus. >> that's where i actually think -- i think being results oriented is a good idea. i think we should be talking about whether brown v. board of education -- i'm sorry whether roe v. wade is going to be overturned. i think that's what matters on the supreme court. it's wonderful that thomas hash hardiman drove a cab to get through law school but so what? what really matters how they vote. we go through this process and you know, we hear this biograph cal stuff and sonia sotomayor