bit of the 1985 meeting with reagan and gorbachev. that got on well. is there any way you see these two very like minded leaders seeing something in each other that will benefit these tensions and decrease tensions? or are we still in an era of maximum disruption? >> i think you can say some potential benefit. we are talking about the countries of the two largest nuclear arsenals of the world pointed at each other. there is some interest of mankind to have relationship there. with the reagan/gorbachev parallel. reagan went in with the reputation of being a happy warrior. cold warrior. no one more hawkish on russia than reagan.