block from the white house, they were reassigned and given no reason for reassignments. these are people who have served multiple va secretaries, and they're in crucial support roles for a new secretary to kind of get the new person acclimated. robert wilke who is waiting in the wings at the pentagon, a top personnel official himself, is said to not know anything about these moves who were done by the acting team in power now, led by peter o'rourke, the acting secretary. >> the va as you know has long been troubled, underfunded, understaffed. doesn't such a staff shakeup exacerbate those problems? >> well, there's a long history even in the trump era of turmoil at va, so trump's first va se t secretary who was an obama hold