little incremental step as a positive development. they touted the punggye-ri, you know, nuclear test site demolition as as a good sign, even though there was a lot of skepticism about whether their nuclear capabilities were really affected. and they're saying this is a good sign, a positive step forward. but it's important to point out, poppy. when i interviewed the scientists who were overseeing the sohae launch site a few years ago, they denied any involvement in north korea's nuclear program and said they were only developing satellites for peaceful purposes. so if that's true, is this nuclear disarmament or the disabling of a satellite station. these are new steps. let's go to the pentagon. barbara starr is there. barbara, you just heard what will reported. and people will be asking this morning, is this proof? is this proof that the president's plan, that president trump's plan is working? that it's getting north korea to bend? what are you hearing? >> well, let's start with what