initial -- first of all, they said there were no meetings with russians that we learned, that there were several meetings with russians including one where the russians were willing to offer this information and trump's side was willing to take the meeting on that promise. but, two, after that meeting was revealed the initial explanation in which president trump himself was involved in gave a misleading account about what that meeting was all about saying it was about russian adoptions when e-mails showed within hours that that explanation was false. so there have been lies on a lot of sides about this meeting prior to today. >> that's a great point. someone is lying here, but all it seems involved in this have lied before as well. so determining credibility will be crucial, josh, in how will investigators go about credibility. >> a lot of this is going to come down in our reporting as far as what cohen said happened in that meeting. he didn't say he sat down with