the room. also, more attenuated is how reliable will his testimony and statements be about the tapes? if those all prove to be reliable, if the tapes are reliable evidence, they add piece by piece to cohen's credibility. >> poppy, i would point out one last thing here. >> i have -- i'm sorry. we're up against a break. i have other news to get in. you will be back. thank you. have a nice weekend. the trump organization's top money man may be forced to tell us next.