mueller and his team in terms of assessing the president's state of mind at the time that he made these really crucial decisions. >> caroline, appreciate the legal expertise this morning. thank you very much. back to michael cohen. take a look at this. this 2017 tweet that he wrote about that meeting at trump tower, it's notable that cohen tweeted this just after -- minutes after don jr. went on fox news and said his father knew nothing about the trump tower meeting and after he testified before congress. let me read it. so proud of that donald j. trump jr. for open and transparent to the american people. this nonsense needs to stop. that was then. we now know of course that cohen thinks anything but this and thinks the president needs to be forthright and he says that the president knew about this trump meeting with the russians. with me now is denny heck of washington, sits on the intelligence committee and questioned michael cohen under oath. thank you for being here.