information that the president just doesn't have, and at this point, though, there's also the real possibility that he filed a report with the conclusion, looks to me, as if it's obstruction of justice. we gave the president many chances to come in and try to explain. he declined then. you can certainly charge without hearing from the defendant. that's the risk if trump stays quiet. >> i want to talk about the oligarchs. the attorney for the russian oligarch and pop star son to encouraged donald trump junior to hold the meeting says that conversations about a potential interview between his clients and special counsel robert mueller are ongoing and have been for almost a year. so why are these dplaoligarchs important to the special counsel's investigation? >> they're important because we all know and understand, and i think there's agreement with the exception of perhaps the