>> can we talk about that? >> it's the symbolism of it. >> what is the status of this robert e. lee -- >> memorial? the statue? >> the statue -- >> i'm trying to find the word. >> yeah. >> what's the plan -- when is it coming down? i'm not saying it to fit you pu the spot. i want to know. >> no. that's it. we, virginia is a dylan rule state which means a lot of our laws, we have to get approved and changed through the general assembly, so that's one thing holding us back. i think even more importantly than that, we have a judge, judge moore, in our circuit court who is hearing the case and has been, you know, the deciding factor, who's working more intently to uphold and keep the statue than working to bend that arc of justice toward removal of the statue. >> listen, i am happy to have both of you on.