but, you know, there are plenty of people who don't like the protests and they're not racists. they just don't think it's the right venue. >> and i'm one of those. >> okay. but his message certainly appeals to his base. >> yeah, i mean, i guess. but when we define a base like that, most americans love america. >> hey, they -- i called them patriots before. i've never decried their patriotism. i'm just saying i would choose to do it another way, okay. but with their patriotism and with the patriotism that we have for most americans, we need to come together. there needs to be positive reinforcement for those things that these nfl guys are doing. it would be great to have a show on that. and then, then we can say to the president, mr. president, see what these guys are doing. let's say -- he should have a conference at the white house, a white house conference on social justice reform and have some of these guys show up. because they are very, very intelligent. have some of them show up and