intent that would be relevant to the obstruction investigation, and bill burke, again, mcgahn's lawyer, previously having been a white house lawyer himself, from this reporting, looks like once it was determined that the white house was not going to assert attorney-client or executive privilege, they would have had a couple different privileges they could have asserted, then really mcgahn had to act in his best interests and be forthcoming with the special counsel's questions. >> so, as you know, and as "the new york times" note, it is unusual for a lawyer to cooperate with an investigation like this. not only is there attorney-client privilege but in this case, executive privilege exists because he is the president, president trump. are you surprised the president and his legal team allowed him to openly discuss matters? what would be their reasoning behind making that move? >> well, don mcgahn, again, his role has always been as white house counsel so he is not the president's personal lawyer. that's now rudy giuliani and