>> corey, the argument that you're forwarding is no one should ever sit down with anybody and ever answer any questions because they may lie and they may get caught lying so they should never do it? is that a standard for the president of the united states, our highest elected official, a man who is supposed to be the paragon of integrity for his people. now he ducks and hides? >> chris, the standard is very clear. you listen to legal counsel who has expertise in the field that you don't. donald trump is not an attorney. he's listening to his legal counsel. >> he says he knows better than the generals. he knows better than the intelligence community. but now all of a sudden some lawyers tell him don't talk to mueller, and he forgets everything he's ever said about candor and truth before. >> well, with all due respect, the think the president has been a little busy denuclearizing the korean peninsula -- >> how are we doing with that by the way? i thought the threat was over. >> chris, you know what just