great to see both of you. sean, you worked with james clapper. when you hear about what micro so soft has flagged, there was another attempted hacking attack on these various websites. interestingly, fancy bear, which is what one of these hacking -- russian hacking organizations calls themselves, this is one of the organizations that was indicted by robert mueller. they don't seem to have been cowed by this since they're still attempted the same level of attacks. so where do you think we are? >> right. that's what the intelligence community has been saying for a long time with regard to whether or not we were going to see this again. look, this is completely consistent with what the intelligence community saw leading up to the 2016 presidential election where we saw russia focus most of their efforts on probing and attempting to infiltrate systems on the democratic side, but we know that they were doing it for two different reasons. i think this is real interesting because what we're seeing here is a spear fishing effort