>> oh, boy. all right. >> can i add a point to this? >> yeah, quickly because i want to get to michael cohen. there's new information. go ahead, john. >> the big point is it's wildly improper for the president to be floating a parting of someone who could be testifying against his own criminal involvement. >> right. right. right. >> go on. >> yes. thank you. thank you. >> never considered a proper use of presidential power. >> all right. let's talk about this because within la when last we heard of the president speaking of michael cohen it was a flippant tweet this morning saying, you know, if you want to hire -- i'm p paraphrasing here, a competent attorney, don't hire michael cohen. surprising that you would hear the president of the united states or see the president of the united states tweet something like that. but tonight, he is speaking about his relationship with michael cohen. listen. >> are you considering pardoning paul manafort? >> i have great respect for what he's done in terms of what he's gone through. you know, he worked for ronald reagan for years. he worked for bob dole.