actually have access to the numbers. >> this is now the family business. he talked about that red line, michael. >> well, he talked about the red line and presented the piles of manila folders we suspected were full of blank paper. he's operated as a family business whether these years to avoid scrutiny. i think he wanted to give this whole enterprise off to his children and his children spoke to me about how they would run it as a normal business and not be so flagrant in their publicity seeking. they may not get a chance. >> you said the courtroom drama brought all the president's if political problems together in a