>> so all of this is happening, jack, while we are learning more about what is happening behind the scenes thanks to bob woodward's new book. in it woodward reports, as he said, the president's then attorney, john dowd, held a mock interview with president trump to convince him not to testify in the russia investigation and that it went so badly that he was convinced trump would perjury himself. dowd allegedly told the president and this is a quote, don't testify, it is either that or an orange jumpsuit. i mean that is as stark as it gets, if you are a lawyer telling your client not to testify and you say it is that or an orange jumpsuit. >> don, i have said on your show on more than one occasion the president needs a lawyer. i will repeat that. the president needs a lawyer. john dowd and anyone else saying things like this is not giving donald trump the services of a