came out from different avenues of existence for professor ford. those are the numbers. >> this not a character battle between dr. ford and judge kavanaugh. >> credibility may be the ultimate indicator. what we've seen in this in what i call -- both sides play the toxic game with these judges, it's about nondisclosure, roe v. wade is settled law, i respect that. he knows the supreme court unsettles law. >> there is a pattern of play here. it is brett kavanaugh dissembling in front of hearings.