oath? >> you brick him to the judiciary committee. we have oversight committee -- >> house judiciary? >> we do. >> i know, but you think he should go to the house judiciary committee, put up his hand, be asked about that article? >> and yeah, and to start, who was in the room? because let's take the facts that are most favorable to rod rosenstein, that he was joking, that it was a moment to relieve tension. i don't think it's appropriate to joke about taking an action against the institution of the presidency while you're overseeing an investigation -- >> fireable? >> probably. probably, depending on the context, to even joke about it. look, i look back to general mattis' reaction when he was asked about some of the things in the woodward book. he said, not only would i not say those things, i would not tolerate them at the department of defense. we should not have a different standard for the department of defense and department of justice -- >> do we know for fact that mattis didn't say those things? >> what we have with mattis is a denial and we don't have a denial with rosenstein -- >> is that true? you don't like those two denials