merrick garland situation. i don't know if kennedy was there at the time. that doesn't hold water. so i'm not really clear. i respect senator kennedy. so i'll take him at his word. but listen, i think it's in brett kavanaugh's interests for his reputation. if he had been voted through on the committee today and voted out, it's bad for brett kavanaugh. he's got all these horrible things hanging over him including outrageous allegations by michael avenatti's client. i've heard from a very good source today that he wanted the investigation all along, it was the white house that didn't. so i'm glad to hear that. >> why didn't he say that to people yesterday. >> because he didn't want to tick off the audience of one he was speaking to? >> that would be my guess. >> you mentioned michael avenatti. let's talk about this because your co-host on circus, john heilemann has an interview sunday with julie swetnick, one