i mean, perhaps they can get him on board and get susan collins there as well. now, i suspect susan collins already knows how she's going to vote. she probably already has her plane ticket booked on saturday out of washington, d.c. she certainly is playing with a lot of drama here right now, but there is time, i think, for democrats to try to persuade no votes. >> i want to unpack and underscore something dana said earlier. we went in today with these four key votes, and now we're really just talking about flake and collins to see if they change. here's why. as dennis said, it's impossible to imagine lisa murkowski at this point having voted no on procedure to vote yes. that would be a very difficult thing to explain, and it would sort of defy logic. joe manchin, i think, is in a very similar situation on the democratic side, and phil brettson, who is the democratic nominee in tennessee, to understand the critical cross currents of democrats in the deep red states. he's not a sflor but he put out