the essence here. but when he was asked by van jones in this interview about some of these varying accounts from the saudis and how they really kind of veer from what we know based on clarissa's reporting and others, kushner really declined to criticize the saudis at all, and instead, he emphasized the long-standing relationship with the united states. listen. >> we're more in the fact-finding phase, and we're obviously getting as many facts as we can from the different places. and then we'll determine which facts are credible, and then after that, the president and the secretary of state will make a determination as to what we deem to be credible and what actions we think we should take. i'll also say that we have to be able to work with our allies. and saudi arabia has been, i think, a very strong ally in terms of pushing back against iran's aggression, which is funding a lot of terror in the region, whether it's the houthis