though andrew gillum wasn't able to make history and stacey abrams, jared polis did make history as the first gay governor until colorado. that's a big deal. a lot of things are positive. here's when's ds happen. there was a test that i think the a wing of the party was trying to run. and it was the idea that you could run a bold populist unabashedly progressive multicultural, mult racial candidacy and win. that was the thesis of and drew gillum and stacey abrams, of a ben jealous in maryland. jordan in iowa and beto in texas. all five so far failed. that is a big development. that's a sobering development. is it not possible to run those kind of races and win? >> the counter argument, there's