behaving as abnormally as they are. i think what chief justice roberts was doing with this statement today was saying, i have to go a bit outside of what i would normally do because this is such an extraordinary situation, because this is a president who does extraordinary things, such as impugn the judiciary. you know, it's not unusual for a president to say i disagree with a court decision. it's quite something else to sort of delegitimize the judges in the judiciary. >> and say they're politically biased. >> and say nothing they can do is right because -- >> i want to get to that point because obama did at one point criticize a decision. i want to get to that in a moment. what about when he's making this about politics? judge curiel, an obama appointee ruled in favor of him on a wall proceeding. i gave those examples simply to point out that politics is not what drives our judiciary. >> well, look, i wouldn't say that politics isn't a part of