the other thing that's important is that you would hope that given how much trouble people have gotten into when they appear before special council you would hope the president is not dumb enough to do this. you would hope they are not dumb enough to go ahead and lie. you would hope it doesn't set him up in what he is called a perjury trial. >> i think it is fascinating. if he wants to stand up for his son there he needs to be completely confirming that didn't happen. >> and i want to be clear that the answers that the president gave to robert mueller were described to us. so the description from our sources was the gist was as far