>> we know that because he has dondon it, and we will see what he does with cohen and we don't expect anything like that with manafort. we will see as a basis of comparison. they have not asked for no time in other cases. another thing is this matter -- you've drafted lots of these types of pleadings for the public. >> usually in public. >> a, criminal investigation. b, special counsel's office investigation. okay? there is a subset i, we don't know if there is a subset in a. there may be based on the paragraph structure but we are not sure. then this paragraph that is open on page four. it looks like this. a lot of it is bars. i will tell you why i'm making the question. the defendant also provided useful information concerning -- it's not broken out as a subset with its own letter. what does that mean to laymen? >> that was my point to michael. it's a rorschach test at this point. who knows who it means. it might tell us more what we than think than it does -- >> if it was a big matter,