cohen and any other information that mueller has, that meeting never happened. but mueller goes on in his own memo here for michael cohen to say, again, that he helped us, too, with contacts that he had with white house personnel before and after the election. now, again, the president's lucky. mueller didn't ask him about anything that happened after the election. but again that is more avenues into more people about more things that we know they believe to be criminal behavior. >> right. and this trusted person in the russian federation who michael cohen had contact with, my understanding is it's a guy who is an olympic weight lifter. this guy was written about by buzzfeed last year. it was ivanka trump who suggested that michael cohen make contact with him or accept messages from him, and he did. this was all in the context of