arguing for leniency, for departure from that. but the u.s. attorney's office which has implicated president trump in the campaign finance violations, they are saying he committed serious crimes driven by greed and he should not have much departure from this sentence and he should face some serious jail time. >> needless to say, we're watching this very closely. thanks so much for that. josh, i want to start with you here because the sentencing is one more step in this daily path in the russia investigation, broadly speaking. we largely believe that michael cohen will get substantial jail time. but you still believe that this is important to watch. it sends an important message. >> yeah, i do. we have been moving toward this day for months now, and on some level, you know, everybody knows that cohen is going to jail. but the fact, i think, that someone in the president's inner