a lot of casual engagers of the news. i think it's hard for the president to completely detach himself from michael cohen. folks know this at home if they follow politics really closely. but trump didn't have a big circle. he was not a typical ceo that had a board of lot of aids. he ran a family business with a handful of people that he trusted and cohen was central. i can recall, guys, covering donald trump in 2011 coming to a conservative conference, cpac, to speak when he was doing one of his then flirtations with running for president. and the guy who brought him there was cohen. and the guy who was doing his press afterwards was cohen. i got the proof of that because he sent me a blistering e-mail that i hadn't taken the trump speech seriously in 2011.