big loser. these things are serious. mark knows this. you go in and there is a reason you take the cameras out, because you work it out. and trump has made a show out of it. i think the loser is the legislative process. it is not all trump's fault. this was a problem, as mark referenced. but, you know, when we get to trump's campaign promise, there's an intrinsic problem here. he's demanding billions of dollars for funds for something he said on the campaign one thousand times i'm going to get mexico to pay for it. we're not going to build an actual wall to have border security. none of the experts believe that. and he promised america that we wouldn't have to pay for it. again, short-term politics, i don't think it helps trump very much. but long-term i agree, the process is the victim. >> and we are just hearing from the president for the first time since we learned about the