pecker and michael cohen coming up with some kind of a scheme to pay off these women. we know that the president has said. his story has shifted dramatically over all the days and weeks, but now this puts him right in the middle offing is he said he knew nothing about, significantly. >> and he told fox news earlier today in the interview he doesn't know whether they reimbursed the tabloid, his words, the tabloid. it makes it more difficult for him to say i knew nothing about this haul along. >> absolutely, and -- and, you know, remember, when he was questioned -- well, first of all, this isn't directly related to the special counsel, excuse me, but when he was questioned about the special counsel, so far the only thing that he's directly been questioned on by anybody other than a reporter, not that we're not important, but, if he lies to us, it's not criminal, is about stuff that happened during the campaign.