because he's the acting, but jim acosta just reported he talked to a white house official who said, you know, what does it mean when he's acting white house chief of staff and the response was, well, he's the chief of staff. >> i think it is right. i think it would be hard for him to say, i don't want to do this job anymore. i think he very well may be in that job, you know, for the long haul, but let's be very clear about this. the most important job for the president will be who is the person speaking on his behalf and who is his lawyer representing him. >> very key. >> can we -- just one slightly different perspective on this. >> how dare you? don't interrupt me. >> in this town of washington, d.c. there will be political spin on this. i think you could step outside the beltway and say the psychology of this is much simpler. people are making fun of the president left and right. he is the president of the united states, this is one of the most powerful positions on the planet and sitting next to him is his chief of staff, and nick aers says, i don't want to do it, everybody else on the