people over this situation? >> i think in the past it used to be clearer that the american public would identify a key set of actors and blame them for the shutdown. usually congress would get the blame to t blame for the shutdown. i think democrats will blame president trump and republicans will blame congressional democrats. and so in the end, it becomes a kind of impasse. the longest shutdown was the 1995 shutdown that lasted for three weeks, 21 days. donald trump said that he imagines this shutdown could last for a very long time. i think he actually wants it not to last very long because when the democrats take control of the house in january, they gain a lot more leverage on this than they currently have. their leverage at the moment is just their ability to filibuster