actual condition of paul whelan in this prison in a suburb of moscow. he said he was pretty cheerful. he said he wasn't depressed in any way. lacked a few -- some sanitary, sort of items like razors and clean underwear and things like that but that was being sorted out. painted a generally very positive picture of paul whelan's incarceration. and he's applied for bail, as well. but he also warned that the russian legal system can be very slow, and he said it could be, what, six months before this espionage case gets to trial. so, he could be in for a long wait. >> matthew, stay with us. i want to bring in steve hall, a retired cia chief of russia operations. steve, does -- what do you make of this, about this person, about what's going on? >> well, anderson, i hate to be smug, but you heard it here first. it took the russians only a couple of days to come up with some really, really good propaganda and some really convincing and compelling